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Please let me start of by saying that I have the greatest respect for
the average person who follows the M----n religion.  My friend Sister
Thedra was formerly a member of that group.  My father was a Mason and
was an honorable person.  I found the following information of the Net
and hope hope that it will help us to make the world a better place.
It is very controversial so hold on to your hats. John Winston.

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                       DREAMLAND IN THE ROCKIES
                              by Branton

Since the age of 12, 1 have had an intense interest in the subject of
UFOlogy, which was sparked after reading Frank Edwards' book FLYING
SAUCERS, SERIOUS BUSINESS.  This led to an interest in the
investigation of subsurface anomalies, followed by a still later
fascination with conspiracy research (all-together, they represent the
study of that which is Above, Below and Within).  I will refrain from
explaining how I came to the following conclusions, as it would take
an entire volume to list the various sources of information that I've
encountered in the past 22 years.  If you are interested in the
original sources, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of the
MOJAVE/COSCON database (7th edition) on 3.5 disk that is making the
rounds.

I will state however that it is my "opinion" that there are 3
"general" alien forces at work in this center of the universe. Each of
these groups can be divided into sub-groups and so on, yet I will not
deal with these aspects at this time.  These groupings include:

THE UNITED FEDERATION - This has been referred to by different titles.
Originally having its genesis in an ancient Lyran (Vegan) alliance
with the Murians and Gobians of Terra, the Federation consists of a
number of colonial worlds near Vega Lyra, the Androeda Constellation,
the Pleiades-Hyades open clusters (and their anti-matter universe
counterparts the Koldasians, Dal-ites, Timers, etc.), Alpha Centauri,
Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, lumma/Ummo [Wolf 424] and others.  Mostly
of human heritage, the "Federation" adheres to a strict
nonintervention policy.  Federation personnel apparently contacted
William Shatner in the Mojave desert years before he became famous for
his part in the STAR TREK series, and certain ideas from real life
turned up in the "inspired" television series.  Even the STARFLEET
base was fairly close - the actual Starfleet base is not in San
Francisco but below the Panamint Mt. - Death Valley region to the
east.  This "Starfleet" does not exist a few thousand years in the
future as the series suggests, but actually began about 3000 years ago
when the MU-rians of ancient California [apparently in alliance with
other civilizations that were advanced in astronomy, mathematics,
medicine, architecture, etc., such as the Greeks, Egyptians, Mayas,
and East Indians] developed aerial and space technology. For thousands
of years these "MU-SUVIANS" of the ancient Mojave region have been
colonizing nearby star systems from their massive base below the
Panamint Mts. of Death Valley using hyperspace propulsion.  Remember
that it only took 40 years for us to advance from Kitty Hawk to
Hyperspace Travel [refer to the Philadelphia Experiment], so do not
underestimate what can happen in a FEW THOUSAND YEARS.  The Death
Valley - Panamint base is currently one of the largest and oldest
Federation bases on [or within] the Earth, and consists of vast
natural and artificial caverns and chambers - some of them miles in
diameter - which possess differing environmental, atmospheric and
gravitational conditions to accommodate the various Federation
dignitaries who are always visiting the base to observe events on
Earth.  They are in direct opposition to the Reptilioid species
operating from the "Dulce" base network centered below Northwestern
New Mexico.  Some [American] ntelligence agencies such as the Navy's
"COM-12" are allied with these "Benevolent Ones" of the Federation,
whereas other [Bavarian] Intelligence agencies such as the CIA-NSA
"AQUARIUS" group maintains a pact with and is even largely under the
control of the Reptilian Gray Empire Collective.  MJ-12 seems to be
vacillating between the two extremes, and may in fact be a
battleground between the American Constitutionals [working with the
NonInterventionist Humanoids] and the Bavarian Globalists [working for
the Interventionist Reptilioids].

THE DRACONIAN EMPIRE - Originally stemming from an ancient Alpha
Draconian Antarctican (Terran) Empire of non-humanoids, the Draconian
Empire is made up of several reptilian species including the winged
draco (pterosaurians, "mothmen", or winged serpents); the tall
Reptilioids who control various smaller reptilian "gray" species which
reproduce via polyembryony, egg hatcheries and/or cloning; a
particularly malevolent iguana-like dark-skinned sorcerer-priest class
that is often seen wearing hooded robes and stands about 5 ft. tall;
and a shorter 4-5 ft. tall race of reptilian-amphibians that have been
described as appearing like "frog faced lizards".  Often a Nordic
(mind-slave) is seen in the company of several of these "Reptoads"
(for lack of a better word) especially during breeding experiments
with human abductees.  One "Aghartan" tradition described by Maurice
Doreal [who, BTW, discovered and translated the alleged "Emerald
Tablets" of Thoth -d4], a Colorado metaphysician who claimed contact
with the neo-Mayan residents of Mt. Shasta (who are in turn part of
the Aghartan "Silver Fleet" Alliance), stated that he observed the
hidden history of the earth in a secret library-repository below the
Himalayas. The crystal-holographic recordings that he was shown
revealed the existence of an ancient race of pre-Scandinavians who in
alliance with a race of human giants dwelt at the center of a powerful
civilization based on a large island in the midst of an inland sea
where the Gob desert now lies.  These blond-haired, blue-eyed
"Nordics" along with their larger "Nephelim" friends waged an intense
warfare with a race of Reptilian hominoids based in Antarctica.  These
creatures had apparently mutated (via natural selection, survival of
the fittest or most intelligence, environmental adaptation, etc.) from
the earlier saurian bipeds such as the very cunning Velociraptors, and
in their continued development gained the mental ability to shape-
shift or hypnotically create a physical illusion around themselves
whereby they were able to pass themselves off as humans and infiltrate
human society like chameleons.  Several of these infiltrators were
discovered when they failed the test of being forced to speak the word
"KININIGIN", which was impossible for the reptilian tongue to
pronounce.  The war ended with the Reptilioids being driven from the
surface of the planet, taking refuge in underground and off-planet
bases.  Some reptilians did not escape however, and were caught by
surprise when the Nordics-Nephelim launched an experimental super-
weapon against Antarctica which obliterated the Reptilian center of
power and in fact caused the earth to slip off its axis (not an actual
polar "reversal").  When the earth stabilized Antarctica froze over,
as well as another area where the reptilians had successfully
infiltrated a human community - this being in Northern Siberia.  These
humans and infiltrators in Siberia froze instantly, and one legend has
it that some of these reptilians were revived by Russian scientists
from their frozen state (the frozen humans could not be revived) and
that these Reptilians commenced to kill off the scientists,
impersonate their physical features, and infiltrate the Russian
government. As for the Nordics, those who did not migrate west to
found the Scandinavian nations (not to be outdone by the serpent race)
left the surface and established their own off-planet and subterranean
bases.  There have been various reports from "contactees" describing
an ancient warfare tht was fought between the Reptilian Empire of
Alpha Draconis and a thriving civilization of Nordic-like humans who
had colonized the Ring Nebula region of Lyra.  Any connection to the
earth scenario? The Reptilians have told some of their abductees that
they are actually returning to their home planet (Earth), from which
they were driven in ancient times (it is even alleged that they plan
to reduce the earth's population through their manipulation of the
"controlled" Bavarian Illuminati, through virological warfare,
disasters, conventional warfare, etc., to the point that they will be
able to take-over the planet with minimal resistance).  As for the
Lyran wars, It was actually refugees from this ancient interstellar
conflict who escaped in a mass exodus to the Pleiades, Hyades and
possibly Andromeda constellations to establish the great "Pleiadean"
network which has now become famous among contactees.  The Lyrans did
reportedly interact with ancient Earth in a powerful way.  So LYRA is
the stellar region where the genesis of the entire Federation is said
to have had its roots.  The question to ask however would be: Did the
Lyrans colonize the Sol system, or did the Solarians - Terrans
colonize the Lyran system...?  As for the Alpha Draconians, they
reportedly spread out the tentacles of their empire to other star
systems such as Epsilon Bootes, Altair Aquila, Capella, Zeta Reticuli,
and Rigel and Bellatrix in Orion (the latter allegedly contains a huge
colony of hybrid Reptilian-insectoid mercenaries, the result of
Reticulan genetic engineering).  [Any relation between these
Reticulan-engineered hybrid Reptillian-insectoid entities and the
group mentioned in Revelation 9:1-11 which states, "And the fifth
angel sounded and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the
earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him.  And he
opened the bottomless pit; and smoke went up out of the pit, like the
smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by the
smoke of the pit.  And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the
earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have
power.  And the were told that they should not hurt the grass of the
earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not
have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not permitted
to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was
like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.  And in those
days, men will seek death and death flees from them.  And the
appearance of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle; and on
their heads, as it were, crowns like gold, and their faces were the
faces of men.  And they had hair like the hair of women, and their
teeth were like the teeth of lions.  And they had breastplates like
breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was like the sound
of chariots, of many horses rushing to battle.  And they have tails
like scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is the power to torment
men for five months.  They have as king over them, the angel of the
abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name
Apollyon." -d4]  Most Reptilian species have a track record of being
Interventionist-imperialist oriented and have shown little if any
regard for human life.

THE ASHTAR - BAVARIAN COMMAND - The following systems are either areas
that are independent, non-aligned to the United Federation or the
Draconian Empire, areas of collaboration and/or warfare between
Humanoid and Reptilioid forces, or members of the Ashtar Command-
Collective and for the Bavarian (Alt. 003) Imperialist Space Forces.
The Alternative 003 [Bavarian] Space Forces, in alliance with other
Imperialistic humanoid and reptilioid species, have - within the last
few decades of their interstellar travel capabilities - already become
notorious throughout this sector of the galaxy for their Nazi-like
atrocities against the peaceful inhabitants of other worlds. This is
according to one couple who defected from the "Alternative 003" crowd
(which is made up mostly of super-rich Military-industrialist
families) after friendly Federation personnel contacted them ad told
them what the A3's were really up to.  This is why the Federation has
always been so concerned about current Terran cultures gaining a
foothold in outer space. Terrans have been inbred with ages of warrior
instinct, and this is the "instinct" which the Draconians have
successfully harnessed via implantation and mind-control to attack
their enemies in the Federation.  The Reptilians are cowards.  They
use "human shields" or "mind slaves" to fight their Federation enemies
and on Earth they hide bravely in their underground lairs, making
nocturnal visitations to the surface to temporarily or permanently
abduct those humans - INCLUDING CHILDREN - who will serve their
purpose.  Richard Shaver referred to them as the "Vermin from Space."
They are vampirial in nature and feed-off the human life-force which
manifests itself through the human spirit (emotions), the human soul
(thoughts), and human blood (plasma)!  If the Alternative 003 forces
could be de-programmed and their loyalties turned toward the
Federation and against the Draconians, they can be just as much a
force for good as they have been for evil (after all, once the
Draconian Empire is conquered there will be enough "spoil" to go
around for all humans concerned Terrans have the right to seek the
absolute destruction of the Draconian Empire, being justified by the
unprovoked war crimes that they have committed against the human race
and their blatant disregard for human life).  Other systems that
"might" be placed in this third category are systems that have been
conquered or infiltrated by the Draconians, or systems where things
are currently out of control.  In any event, the following systems do
not appear to be entirely loyal to either the United Federation or the
Draconian Empire, and like the SOL system itself, they are somewhat
unstable.  Some of these include: Sirius, Arcturus, Aldebaran,
Procyon, Betelgeuse, Bernard's Star, Bootes Centaurus and of course -
as I have stated - Sol.  These systems [especially Sol] may
conceivably go one way or he other depending on the future course of
events, and the final outcome of the battle for planet earth may in
fact determine the future course of the interstellar conflict itself.
Earth apparently possesses something that the reptilian Grays
desperately need for the continuance of their interstellar activities,
something which is here in abundance.  Exactly what this is is
uncertain. It may be several things.  As for the Ashtar or "Astarte"
collective, it is a massive electronic collective mind or intelligence
with a nerve-center rumored to be based within a 20-mile long computer
- possibly space-based - into which numerous space cultures are tied
via electrotelepathic implants.  This collective has long since been
infiltrated and compromised by the Draconian collective at various
levels and can no longer be trusted.  Be wary of so-called "Ascended
Masters" speaking through the Ashtar collective, as they are just as
likely to be Draconian impostors as they are to be enlightened
Federation beings.  There seems to be a long history of cautious
interaction between humanoid and reptilioid species in the star
systems mentioned above, or neutrality and in many cases all-out
warfare between the two species, often resulting from treaties that
have gone sour.

JW  Let's hope that the things that I have been posting from Ashtar
have been from a good source.  I claim to be working for the
Federation of Planets in my small way.

This brings us now to Earth, namely to the present "battleground" or
staging-ground between the three groups, a huge subterranean network
known as DREAMLAND.  Since the United States of America is the most
strategic "target" on which the Draconian-Bavarian combine has its
sites (being the last obstacle standing in the way of the joint
Reptilian-Bavarian Illuminati's NEW WORLD ORDER, which is based after
the Reptilian collective-mind-control/annihilation-of-consciousness
system as opposed to the Christian idea of INDIVIDUAL liberty and free
thought), it goes without saying that the most strategic subterranean
system below the U.S. (Dreamland) is also a major target.

"Dreamland" has been identified as an underground system of vast
proportions consisting of natural cavernous networks connected via
artificial tunnels and installations.  It reportedly has its main
concentration below the Western front of the Rockies of Utah,
stretches north into Idaho, east into Colorado, south into Arizona,
and west into Nevada.  All four of these extensions reportedly contain
joint-interaction bases below the following sites: Burley, Idaho;
Creed, Colorado; Page, Arizona; and the notorious Groom Lake base,
Nevada.  Underground extensions of Dreamland reportedly connect with
the United Federation systems below California and with the Draconian
Empire systems below New Mexico, both of which are fighting for
control of the "Dreamland" system.  This is not to say that smaller
Federation outposts do not exist in New Mexico, because they do.  In
the same manner Draconian outposts also exist in California some of
the most notorious being Mt. Lassen, Clear Lake/Hopland, and Deep
Springs near Bishop.  But the major Federation base is in California
and the major Draconian base is in New Mexico.

I had suspected the existence of this massive underground system long
before I read the account that I will quote near the end of which she
recalls meeting with a man and a short "gray" in a huge underground
room, in which she saw several other people -possibly abductees.  She
remembers, even in her partially-conscious state, becoming angry at
the fact that this guy was giving her all kinds of instructions and
recalls asking him who the h---l he thought he was by ordering her
around like that... She said the man "may" have been human, but she
was not sure. KS. was also told by another friend of an abduction that
had occurred to him near this same Mall, during which the aliens
removed and later re-attached one of his legs.  Other friends of hers
had told her of encountering para-humans [MIB types] up in the
mountain canyons east of Salt Lake City, including the Parley's Canyon
area... these encounters taking place in areas where large underground
caverns or bases were supposed to exist. There have also been reported
encounters with Nordic-like beings as well as with Reptilians in the
canyons east of Salt Lake.  In one case the Nordics politely asked one
man via a telepathic beam from a cigar-shaped craft - fully visible to
him and hovering above Emigration Canyon - if he would like to come
with them...although the man refused the offer.  Another man by the
name of "Dan" was forcibly abducted by tall green-skinned Reptilians
withlarge black eyes just to the north in City Creek Canyon (these
canyons run from north to south beginning with City Creek, Emigration,
Parleys, Big Cottonwood and Little Cottonwood).  This indicates to me
that there is a conflict of sorts in this area, and KS. did in fact
tell me of a very vivid "dream" wherein she encountered a blond man in
a black "astronaut" uniform who asked her if she recognized him.  She
looked intently into his eyes and then recognized him from
"somewhere", and he commenced to show her a "Star Wars" type battle
that was in progress far above the Salt Lake valley (cloud cover?).
She saw disks firing beam weapons at other incoming craft, the beams
would hit what appeared to be their shields and arc and crackle around
them like one might see in a STAR TREK movie, and the affected ship
would not drop, but seem to lose maneuvering control and drift away.
When she awakened from the "dream" she said there were strange bruises
on her legs that were not there when she went to sleep.

Much alien activity has been reported as being located below Twin
Peaks, SE of Salt Lake City.  On the north slope of the Peaks is Big
Cottonwood Canyon.  Reports suggest a huge base under the canyon was
once controlled by "Blondes" tied-in with the Mt. Shasta system, but
that this may have since been infiltrated by Grays and human (mind-
controlled) collaborators. Officially the Telosians are supposed to be
at odds with the Grays.  The crown princess of Telos, Sharula, was
reportedly told by Adama - the spiritual leader of the Melchizedek
lodge there that the Grays are being asked to leave the planet, BY
FORCE if necessary.  The last Gray stronghold that is to be taken care
of is the one near Los Alamos, N.M., which is the eastern segment of
the Dulce Hub or Terminal which branches out for hundreds of miles in
all directions (like the Panamint base, the Archuleta base is said to
be approximately the size of Manhattan this is not including the
"extension" bases tied-in to Dulce).  If there are still "Telosians"
belo the Twin Peaks area who are working WITH the Grays, they are
doing so in direct opposition to official Telosian policy.  On the
south side of Twin Peaks is Little Cottonwood Canyon, the site of
GRANITE MOUNTAIN where the Mormon Church maintains an large
underground Storage Vault where information on every subject is
gathered from all over the world and stored after being converted to
microfilm.  One can draw a rough line beginning at Crossroads Plaza
and leading southwest through Trolley Square and Sugarhouse Mall and
on to Little Cottonwood Canyon, at the base of which (Draper, UT) this
writer lived as a child.

Now, before relating the following account, let me say something about
the M----n Church system, within which this writer was raised... This
church was created by a man named Joseph Smith, however the REAL power
behind its growth was John C. Bennett, who was apparently one of many
Scottish Rite agents assigned to infiltrate the various religious
movements of the world.  If one does a thorough study of the Masonic
connections to major denominations they may discover some surprises
(for instance Norman Vincent Peale was a 33rd degree mason, as were
the founders of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Theosophy, Scientology,
Unitarianism, and so on).  The Scottish Rite, incidentally, was
created by Jesuits and Masons at the Parisian college of Clermont.
Dr. John Coleman states that 13 Maltese Jesuits, 13 Wicca Masons and
13 Black Nobility members make up the 39 members of the Bildeberger
group, ultimately controlled by the BAVARIAN Illuminati through the
Scottish Rite.

The Master Mason John C. Bennett convinced Smith to sell out to the
Masonic lodge (Scottish Rite) and Bennett worked to establish an
"Order of the Illuminati" within Mormonism, according to Klaus
Hansen's book "QUEST FOR EMPIRE".  M------m became a hybrid religion
between Christianity (worship of the "Lamb") and gnostic Scottish Rite
Masonry (worship of the "Serpent").  Even today the M----n masses in
Utah believe that they are "Christians", and eventhe majority of the
"Council of 12" - unknown to the most of its membership - are actually
controlled by the Scottish Rite "Council of 50" behind the scenes.
These "Insiders" allow only the oldest members of the outer "Council
of 12" to become President of the Church. Apparently the older these
council members are the less likely they will be to discern what is
going on behind the scenes, to make waves or make changes, or
challenge the hidden Scottish Rite infiltrators and controllers.  One
can see a similar power-play being carried out in the Vatican.  For
instance Pope John Paul I sought to make some heavy-duty changes in
the C------c system, but the "powers that would be" had different
ideas. After this Pope was assassinated in true Scottish Rite fashion
only 33 days into his term, a former Nazi sympathizer who had earlier
in life sold cyanide gas to the Nazis for their gas chambers, was
elected Pontiff... this new Emperor of the "Holy Roman Empire" was the
man who changed his name to "John Paul II". The Scottish Rite has the
power to control the media and therefore the influence to support or
tear-down a religion through public opinion.  In their desire to be a
"friend of the world" and escape criticism, many main-line religions
must sell-out to the Masons or risk "persecution".  Most M-----s
outwardly profess their hatred of "secret combinations", not realizing
that they - along with most other mainline denominations throughout
the world - have fallen victim to that very force. They do not realize
that they are one of the many "controlled" religions that the
Illuminati plans to keep in check so that they do not interfere with
the "New World Order".  In recent years various fundamental M----n
factions began warning about the "New World Order", that is until
those in the seat of power in the M----n Church were given
instructions to rebuke these Patriots as being out of line with Church
policy.  If they kept up with their anti New World Order activities,
they could be excommunicated and their salvation woul be on the line.
Is there something wrong with this picture?

Ideologies cannot be controlled - this is why the Pentecostals who
stress ideological lifestyle over organizational structure are
frustrating the One Worlders, because they are difficult to infiltrate
and control.  The more STRUCTURED a religious SYSTEM is, the easier it
is to infiltrate and control... these controllers do not believe in
Christianity nor even Mormonism or any of the other religions, but are
actually Serpent Worshippers and collaborate with and worship the
Serpent Race (Grays, etc.). They are also in it for personal profit,
at the expense of the manipulated masses.  If you don't believe that
the Scottish Rite is a gnostic (serpent) cult, just take a look at the
designs inside the HOUSE OF THE TEMPLE, the Scottish Rite Headquarters
in Washington D.C. that sits atop the PENTAGRAM-LIKE street layout of
the capitol city.

It should be stressed that the M----n Church IS ONLY ONE OF MANY
religious organizations around the world that the Scottish Rite (Wicca
Mason) branch of the Illuminati has either created or infiltrated, or
turned into a hybrid Christian-Masonic structure. I only single this
denomination out because of my own personal involvement with this
religious system.  Many (so-called) Protestant denominations such as
the Methodists, Episcopalians, and Southern Baptists have fallen under
the control of the Scottish Rite as well, in that a large percentage
of their congregations have dual membership in the Masonic Lodge and
their denominational Church organizations. With this introduction, I
will now quote the following revelation from a Utah researcher who
wishes to be. identified only as J.R.:

"...You most likely have heard of the M----n Church, L--, Church of J-
--- C----- of L----- D-- S------, here in Utah, of which they control
the total state in all fields and phases of human endeavors.  They
have built temples in 100 countries.  The missionaries in all these
countries, including the USA, work with the CIA.

"As the missionaries can get into countries where the CIA cannot, they
collect information on the people and everything of any and all
nature, the countries' government and all their activities.  All this
world-wide information is shared with the CIA and it is fed into three
of the largest computers in the world, church-owned, here in Salt Lake
City (these reportedly fill the entire top 2 or 3 floor-levels of the
"Church Office Building" in Salt Lake City - Branton).  This church is
one of the most powerful and rich organizations in the world today.
It has one of the largest andsecret police force[s] in the world. I
have collected this kind of information for 45 years. "The above is
not all they are into.  A high official of this church was recently
kicked out of the church as he got too snoopy and asked too many
questions.  He came to me a few months ago and told me what happened.
He said that HIS LIFE HAD BEEN THREATENED if he told anyone of what he
had found out.  So he told me that if anything happened to him, to
release the information he gave me.  THIS INFORMATION CONCERNS A GIANT
CAVERN BENEATH SALT LAKE CITY AND THE WASATCH MOUNTAIN RANGE. IT GOES
NORTH TO IDAHO AND SOUTH CLEAR DOWN PAST THE ARIZONA LINE, WITH
OFFSHOOTS WEST INTO NEVADA AND EAST INTO COLORADO. "This cavern has
been common knowledge for over 120 years.  Many cases over the years
[have] appeared in the newspapers of people and groups of people going
into the cavern, but never coming out. Several [who] did find their
way out, were hopelessly insane. At least that's what the newspaper
said about them. "At present the Archaeological Dept. of Utah are down
in southeastern Utah looking for a certain entrance into this Utah,
discovered around 30 years ago (around 1960 - Branton-). He brought
out of the cavern quite a few ancient plates of an unknown language.
Some of the plates were gold, some silver, brass, copper and clay.  He
also saw many strange things he won't talk about, such as what he
thought were weapons of crystal.

"His son was TORTURED AND KILLED by some unknown person or persons
trying to force the secrets out of him.  The church wanted the plates
in the worst way - they still do.-------------faced concerning] DULCE,
NEW MEXICO.  Like he told me, "After all, where on earth would be a
better contact point for aliens than Utah, with thousands of miles of
deserts and places not even on the present day maps.  Plus a large and
powerful organization with hospitals, schools and universities where -
------------and customs, using research labs, some of the best in the
United States.  A lot of GENETIC EXPERIMENS AND RESEARCH is also going
on here in different laboratories (Note: One source has stated that a
Mr. "Fleisher", now deceased, took part in a training mission to
acclimate humanoid aliens to human society in a fashion similar to
that which was performed by the well known contactee Howard Menger.
This project was initiated in Salt Lake City with nearly 200 alien
personnel, and has since spread to Arizona and other parts of the
world.  One source who studied at the Salt Lake Technical College,
stated that a fellow student confided to him that he was actually from
an underground city, and was working here on the surface.  There have
also been other rumors of individuals living in this city who were
from underground communities... but whether these arrived on the
surface by choice or were driven to the surface by the Reptilioid
infestation of the North American substructure, is uncertain.  Both
scenarios may exist.  There are nevertheless suggestions that all
three groups from the United Federation, the Draconian Empire, and the
Bavarian Collaboration - ar-------------eactive in this part of the
country - Branton).

"THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS HAVE VANISHED WITHOUT A TRACE OF
MOST OF THEM, HERE IN UTAH.  The fellow who is giving me this
information also mentioned that for years now, the Church has been
working on a vault-like repository in the mountains behind Salt Lake
[East], PART OF THE UPPER CAVERN, to put all records, secret
documents, and other valuables for safe keeping (This is the
aforementioned Vault in Granite Mountain, up on the slope of Little
Cottonwood Canyon - Branton).  He said for over a period of time he
helped on this detail.  SEVERAL TIMES HE SAID HE SPOTTED SEVERAL SMALL
HUMANOIDS WITH EXTRA-LARGE EYES WATCHING THEM FROM A DISTANCE.

"He said THERE WAS A LOT OF BUILDING GOING ON IN THE LOWER PORTION OF
THE CAVERN.  He heard motors, dynamos, the high whine of generators
and voices.  All this he said has been going on for over 15 years that
he knew of (or previous to 1975 -Branton).  e said his curiosity got
the best of him one day, he slipped away from the work gang he was in
and went down to a lower part of the cavern.  He came to some
BUILDINGS WITH LOTS OF ROOMS.  THERE WAS A LOT OF BUILDING AND OTHER
ACTIVITY GOING ON.  THERE WERE MANY MEN AND WOMEN WORKING ON WORK
BENCHES WITH COMPUTERS, AND BUILDING ELECTRONIC UNITS OF SOME KIND.
AMONG THESE WORKERS WERE MORE OF THESE SMALL HUMANOIDS WITH BIG BLACK
EYES.  When he started back, two security officers caught him and
escorted him back to the repository vault, where they reported his
actions and wanderings into the off-limits area, to his superiors.
They in turn put him on a truck and sent him back to town.  He was
warned to keep his mouth shut about what he saw.  They told him what
was going on down there was a U.S. government operation and was TOP
SECRET (Note: actually it was a CIA operation.  The CIA has an inner-
core who work for Bavarian Intelligence and an outer-core who are led
to believe that they are working for the best interests of American
Intelligence, and in fact former CIA agent Gunther Russbacher has
stated that there are two factions that are presently fighting for
control of the CIA itself - suggesting that the outer core of Patriots
who have fought Communism in the past are now waking up to the fact
that the inner core of the CIA is actually being run by [National]
SOCIALISTS.  In this case the statement that this activity - taking
place within the massive cavern-systems below the Wasatch Front of the
Western Rockies - is a "U.S. Government Operation" would only be a
half-truth.  It should also be recognized that there is a
"Melchizedek" order which is active within the M----n Church, the
Masonic Lodge and the Mt. Shasta Community, all three of which
apparently have some connection with the Utah underground.  This does
not mean that all "Melchizedeks" are presently collaborating with the
Reptilian Grays - Branton).

"If he talked about [what was going on underground] to any one, he
would get 20 years in a federal priso or WORSE.  He kept asking
questions to different members he thought were friends. Someone
reported him.  In turn he was apostated from the Church, WITH A DEATH
THREAT.

"This is the 3rd time in the last 20 years I have heard about this
activity, from different friends of mine who are members of this
church.  I didn't pay too much attention to it until I received the
info [on] Dulce, New Mexico... I think its high time to PUT THIS INFO
OUT TO THE PUBLIC.  Most people are so BRAINWASHED by the church here,
and the television, that most people won't believe any of it anyway.
But I believe there are people in this land of ours who will believe.
Those are the ones who need all the information of this nature they
can receive.  At least they will be aware of the existence of the
situation and won't be so easily trapped.  They in turn can help
others... Sincerely, J.R."

Being that the term DREAMLAND has been given to the cavern systems
below the Four Corners as well as to those below Nevada, I believe
that it is fair to assume that the massive underground system
connecting the two can also be given the same appellation.

It is possible that war has raged through the DREAMLAND complex
[spanning Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, Arizona, etc.,] for
centuries.  Apache-Hopi activist Robert Morningsky has stated that his
ancestors were driven to the surface by the "Two Hearts" or the
"Children of the Lizard" who invaded their underground world and
forced them to take refuge in the outer world.  Another Hopi legend
states thatsome of their numbers in that ancient time turned to
practicing sorcery [and if we combine this legend with Morningsky's
statements, we can assume that these sorcerers also betrayed the rest
of the Hopi to the Serpent Race in exchange for promises of power,
etc.].  It seems that some things never change.  This warfare seems to
compare with the Dero - Tero conflicts referred to by Richard Shaver.
Is it possible that the DULCE WARS (which began in 1979 after human
scientists discovered thousands of abductees who were being held in
cages and in cold storage deep below Dulce) and the GROOM wars (which
began around the same time after a human security guard was killed
when he challenged an alien dictate that human security personnel
could not enter alien-controlled sections below Nevada with loaded
weapons) were actually more outward manifestations of a "deeper
conflict that has raged through the centuries, one that we might refer
to as the DREAMLAND Wars?

The End, Brother Ben. Part 5 of 5.

JW Like I said before, this information is originated by me.  I just
found it on the Net.

John Winston.  johnfwin@mlode.com


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