Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Purifiers/Filters
To   :  ALL                             Sunday, March 26, 1995 12:08:09 AM
From :  Robert L. Anello, 73144,1445    #49533

>>Perhaps some other folks in the forum can add to this info-stockpile.<<

 RE: WATER PURIFIERS
 Personal-type water filters that will filter several gallons of water
before requiring cleaning or replacement of filters are available in the
better camping equipment supply stores.  They small and lightweight camping
and backpacking style purifiers which require hand pumping (no
electricity).  Most are made of sturdy and durable high-impact plastic and
some are of metal.

 Depending upon the micron rating of the filters, some of these water
purifiers are said to filter bacteria and viruses as well as dissolved
chemicals and minerals.

 Prices range from inexpensive ($30-40) to very expensive (>$200).

 Some of the names of these water purifiers are: First Need, MSR
Waterworks, PUR (4 different types with different micron ratings,
($50-$150), Sweetwater, Katadyn, RELAGS.

 I believe the Katadyn, and the RELAGS, purifiers also have an interior
silver coating to prevent the growth of bacteria on the filter itself.

 Depending upon the cloudiness or murkiness of the water to be purified,
some individuals report that many of these filters will filter 8-15 gallons
before cleaning the unit is required.  Most of these units are considered
to be easy to pump and fairly fast (1-2 quarts per minute).

 Regards,

 Bob Anello




Bob Anello Using NavCIS Pro 1.25




Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Chris Malcheski, 71232,360      Sunday, March 26, 1995  1:41:04 AM
From :  Mark Roberts, 74227,1642        #49545

Hi Chris,

>>For some reason I've always had schemes for condensing water.  I don't
know why.<<

I was talking with my business partner and we decided that the ultimate
water system would be a combination distiller and Reverse-Osmosis system.
The distiller removes heavy particulate, which helps keep the RO filters
clean and kills any viruses that are too small to be caught in the RO
filters.  The RO removes all the lethal stuff.  Between the two system, you
would get perfect water.

my .02 cents.


Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Karl Kofoed, 75213,3417         Sunday, March 26, 1995  4:41:02 PM
From :  Martha McLemore, 73135,1243     #49753

Karl:

Sweet BaBoo relays that he and a few other local hams are introducing some
area schoolchildren to the wonders of the World-in-general and the
World-of-Amateur-Radio in particular.  They (he and buddies) spent some
time this weekend putting a multi-band dipole on top of a forty-foot tower
at the school building.  This is an ongoing project with Ken's ham club
they've been working on for almost 2 years now.  They started out teaching
morse to the kids, convinced the PTA to spring for a radio, spent club
funds on the necessary accessories and provided hu-manpower to put it all
together.

What a wonderful way to teach children that the world is a lot bigger than
their neighborhood!  These youngsters will be communicating with children
and other hams from all walks of life, from all parts of the world.
Couldn't ask for a better geography or social studies curriculum anywhere,
I think.

As for the comments I made to Chris, everyone I've ever met, including
folks here, have taught me something, if only something about myself I
didn't know before.  I had followed the discussion you and he were having a
few days ago about conservatism versus liberalism, rich vs poor...you
remember.

I tuned it out after awhile, then saw his comments about being
self-reliant. At first, I was angry with him for what I thought he was
saying, then realized I had stopped reading the original conversation,
which may not be what he was still talking about.  (I thought he was being
a racist, sexist s**thead, but he wasn't.)

Anyway, TMALSS, I decided to think about what he had written before I shot
off a salvo in his direction, to see if perhaps I was mistaken.  Lo and
Behold, I discovered we were much closer in philosophy than I would have
imagined.  Once you scrape away all the political garbage in our comments
(the ones of his I had read and the ones of mine I was thinking of shooting
back at him), I came to see that we hold many ideas in common.  Not only
that, but you, O Best Beloved, are right in there, too.

I was coming at the question of survival from a different direction than
either of you (naturally, since our experiences are so different), but
arriving at the same understanding of what it is going to take to survive
in a calamity.

These commonalities of understanding are what we need to be teaching every
other human being on the face of the earth, at least those who don't
already know these things.  (An aside to that comment:  I suspect the folks
who live in far less advanced cultures don't need to be taught these things
as much as do we who depend on technology to live.)

I would love to pick the brains of every single person who has posted ideas
about how to survive, how to succeed at whatever it is you're about.

How about if we become each other's mentors vis-a-vis surviving earth
changes, corporate down-sizing, unemployment or cash flow problems...here
on this forum.  I'm willing to give of my experiences, freely, in exchange
for similar goods from anyone else.

I'll post this in a message to all and see what kind of response it
generates.  Get ready to add your wealth of tips, OBB; Janet, too!
ESPECIALLY Janet!!  Heck, even our animals can teach us something!

Love to you all,

Martha



Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Mark Roberts, 74227,1642        Sunday, March 26, 1995  4:05:19 PM
From :  Jeannie, 75773,1442             #49731

Hi Mark,
My husband and I just bought a "PUR" brand reverse osmosis watermaker for
our sailboat..we will have an 86 Gallon per day capacity,drawing only 8
amps when operating. Along wwith this system we purchased the "Water Fixer"
UV water sterilizer. The water first enters a 5 micron pre-filter to remove
suspended particles.Then moves to second filter containing activated
charcoal..to remove odors and improve taste.Second filter is rated at .5
microns so it also traps the fine particles including microorganisms such
as giardia and crytosporidium. Final stage..water enters stainless steel
disinfectant chamber where UV light,enclosed in a pure fused quartz
cylinder destroys any remaining microorganisms.

Hopefully, this equipment, along with our canopy being constructed with a
built in water-catcher will keep us clean and hydrated.

For the forum members "seriously" preparing for disaster..I would not
hesitate to lead them towards the hundreds of books written on
self-sufficiency for those of us preparing a circumnavigation, or just
"living aboard" sans shore power. They'll give you information on
everything from how to keep perishables  to surviving when :all our
fancy gold-plater systems go down 3,000 miles out. Also some Great books
written by people who have survived at sea for 72 days and longer in their
survival rafts.Some of these people did not even have time to grab their
abandon ship bags..however survived months with nothing but their wits. Now
try surviving..floating on neoprene coated nylon No EPIRB ..Flares.SSB.No
soil, water not potable..no neighbors around..no vegetation..just you in
your underware, the sea, the sky, and some mighty big fish.

Our entire "cruise" planning has centered on "survival and
self-sufficiency". Guess we've read so much about it over the past several
years , We plan on it being a way of life..not an option for disaster.

Jeannie

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Dean M/SL5_ASOP, 75110,3417     Sunday, March 26, 1995  7:08:30 PM
From :  Jeannie, 75773,1442             #49819

Water Fixer  is the name of the filter manufacturer.
Call West Marine  @1-800-538-0775 Do yourself a big favor and ask them to
send you their catalog. It's loaded with goodies. This filter runs $395.00
They also make a model 500 $295.00.
West Marine and Boat US are both great sources. Also..go to your local
loaded magazine rack..and pick up a copy of "Sail" magazine's 95' buyers
guide. It's chock full of these manufacturers and they will be more than
happy to send you their brochures.
Jeannie

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Preparing for the future
To   :  Paul S. Cilwa, 74362,2653       Friday, March 24, 1995  5:20:19 PM
From :  Chris Malcheski, 71232,360      #49087

Hi Paul,

>> Be sure you have an electric winch so you can right the camper if strong
winds or quakes tip it over. <<

Thanks for the reminder.  This has been on our "to-do" list forever.

>> Also, be sure to keep you pilot lights out except when you are using
them (or switch to electronic) so that the camper tipping over doesn't send
it up in flames. <<

Everything is electronic ignition -- the water heater, the furnace, etc.

>> Finally, remember that quakes will probably take out the highway system
(fallen overpasses). Try to be in open country, preferably desert, where
you don't NEED no stinkin' roads. <<

We have an F250 4x4.  Built Ford tough.  Think Ford first.  At Ford,
quality is job 1.  Ford has a better idea.  We're still learning how to do
brakes though.

-- Chris

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Preparing for the future
To   :  Kevin Gibson, 75313,620         Saturday, March 25, 1995  3:10:23 PM
From :  Melinda Henderson, 73042,2151   #49382

Kevin:

>>What kind of a world are you preparing to live, nay, exist in?<<

Bear with me here:

Rich R. asked for others' views about taking actions now to prepare for
predicted upcoming changes.

Lilith: >>and lastly lots of ammunition for your weapons.<<

Chris: >>An over committment to weapons for survival may help attract a
reason to have to use them. I have my AR-15 and about 100 rounds but my
primary plans center around never having to fire a single shot.<<

Val: >>[The Ninja] is a warrior out of necessity, not out of desire.<<

Thom: >>I think most folks...would LIKE to live in a world where deadly
force and defense of home & family was not an issue....However I also live
in a real world, where crime is more efficient than the systems that are
supposed to inhibit that force....If we lived in an ideal world, ammunition
wouldn't be needed but neither would be our prayers.<<

Rich P.: >>I suggest that you start by examining the basic needs humans
have for survival: food, water, shelter, health and love come to mind.<<

Howard: >>So does a 357 magnum and lots of ammunition, to protect the food,
water, shelter and loved ones you have hoarded. Seriously.<<

Melin: >>Absolutely. Or, in my case, a 9mm Glock.<<

Kevin: >>Guns were never the answer.<<

Thom: >>I wish you were right but survival has not gone out of vogue.<<

Charlie: >>Gosh! I never expected to hear so much gun talk on _this_
forum.<<

Chris: >>It's not a bad idea to have one [weapon] on hand in case the need
really comes up but I suppose it starts to bug me when people's entire
definition of "surviving" automatically moves to shooting others, before
any other method of surviving ahs a chance, before anything is even
known.<<

Mark: >>The most important thing will be the togetherness of the
community....Survivalists aren't going to make it. Their hording of guns
and supplies will attract others of like mind to them and the ensuing
results.<<

Chris: >>...people who 'resonate' with firepower as a means of survival
will generally have a lust for a chance to use their guns<<<

Howard: >>...the best we can hope for is that the "decent people" have
enough common sense to band together and protect what they have. Otherwise,
they will surely be selected out of the gene pool.<<

Okay...here goes:

What I've gotten from this thread is that there is a difference between
"resonating with firepower" and choosing your own personal method of
self-defense if and when the time should come. Some choose guns...some
don't. But I don't believe that those who do choose guns necessarily
attract violence.

All of my life I never *ever* entertained the idea of owning *any* kind of
gun. I was always spouting the "guns only attract other guns" philosophy.
And then I watched the LA riots happening real-time, on television. I cried
and cried as I watched the devastation slowly creep towards my old
neighborhood, feeling helpless because I no longer lived there and feared
for all of my friends who were still there. (My husband and I had been
responsible for creating and maintaining the neighborhood disaster
preparedness response team...originally focused toward earthquakes, but,
hey, riots count, too.)

Then, on the second day of rioting, I saw something on TV to which my
reaction totally flabbergasted me--I saw my friends and neighbors (many of
whom were members of the resonse team) actually defending the perimiter of
the neighborhood...with a variety of weapons. And I saw the local merchants
defending their businesses, too. And I was glad. I actually found myself
cheering for the guys on top of the Wherehouse with their automatic
weapons, defending their turf. I felt like "that's *my* Wherehouse, where I
rent *my* movies" and more power to the owners for wanting to defend what's
theirs. These people did not "attract" the violence to the area, but they
were damn well ready to defend it when it became necessary. It was a
_community_ response...not a bunch of gun enthusiasts who were "lusting" to
use their weapons. It was "decent people banding together" to protect what
they had. The residential neighborhood was not invaded and many (but not
all) of the businesses in the area were spared.

That's when I decided that maybe owning a gun and learning how to use it
was not as bad an idea as I had originally thought. It took seeing the
possibility of personal and community destruction "in living color" to wake
me up to the fact that, yes, the times they *are* a-changin'. I don't like
that, but I'm not going to be an ostrich about it, either. I loved LA when
I lived there, and I miss it incredibly a lot of the time. (And I know it's
not just LA that's metamorphosed into practially a third-world country.)
But I will *not* let fear or intimidation keep me from going back there
from time to time and seeing my old friends and enjoying what positive
things the city still has to offer. I certainly don't go looking for
violence when I'm there, but I'm going to be as responsibly prepared as
possible should something arise.

I believe that being part of a responsible community is definitely one of
the answers to surviving these potential changes. But, let me tell you
something: we moved to a small mountain community four years ago and I feel
much less "safe" here because it *is* full of the gun nut survivalist types
that are just waiting for a reason to tell somebody to go ahead and make
their day. The neighborhood I lived in in the Hollywood Hills was peopled
with residents who wanted to work together to make it a better place for
all to live. There was a true spirit of "community" there--highly unusual
for such a metropolitan area--but there nevertheless. And it's shown me
that, while it might be best to leave the urban areas for safer ground,
community can exist (albeit perhaps just in pockets) in the city, and that
the location of your chosen community may not be nearly as important as the
residents who populate it.

That's why I'm glad to have the opportunity to participate in this forum.
Originally I thought I had lucked out when I discovered how wonderful the
neighborhood was I had chosen in LA back in the early 80s. Now, I know that
I chose it for a reason. I truly learned the definition of community. And
now I feel like I have entered another equally wonderful community, virtual
though it may be, here. While we all may disagree about things from time to
time, I feel that we all can learn from each other and be there for each
other if and when the time comes.

Okay, I'm done. 

...Melin

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Chris Malcheski, 71232,360      Saturday, March 25, 1995  1:16:18 PM
From :  Paul S. Cilwa, 74362,2653       #49358

On the Grand Canyon trips I've taken, they use a simple pump-like filter.
The filter is resuable; it's some kind of ceramic and you just take it out,
wipe it off, and put it back. The boatmen said it would filter out stuff as
little as giardia bacteria and, of course, as big as river silt.

They are available at camping supply stores.

For a nice catalog of camping-type gear, try Campmor at PO Box 700-U,
Saddle River, NJ 07458-0700. It's printed on recycled paper, so you can ask
for it without guilt.

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Kent Lawrence, 71621,2534       Saturday, March 25, 1995  9:05:15 PM
From :  Chris Malcheski, 71232,360      #49499

Kent,

>>  may I interject here that in all probability the electricity may be at
the least temporarily interrupted by TBO, thereby rendering any RV pump or
water-purification by means of electric pumps of no use? <<

In my haste I forgot to mention making a solar power source, and/or a hand
crank method for turning the pump.

Although ideally a Tesla turbine would be degrees more efficient than the
standard blade pump.

The basis for everything I'm planning is to not have to place reliance on
what can be stockpiled, at least not for the long term.  The idea is to be
dependent on things that can be regenerated without the standard industrial
base that we're used to being in place.  Solar/wind power can be stored in
batteries; these are standard systems in use for remote mountain homes.

Milkweed placed in a sealed container (like a 5 gallon plastic jug) with
some salt water in the bottom will produce tons of methane gas in very short
order (providing you seal the container).  That burns.  Make heap good fuel,
Kimosabe.  Turn generator!  Make powerful electricty.  Hm!  Milkweed grows
at phenomenal rates.  Ever try to get rid of it in your yard????  Very
replenishable.

-- Chris

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Stock Market
To   :  Dean Miller/SL5, 75110,3417     Thursday, March 2, 1995  7:57:11 PM
From :  Tony Scislaw, 74352,463         #41748


>>...The problem I have with this is that most people have no way of
evaluating the quality of a diamond...<<


Dean,

   You're right. In a barter situation in rough times, most people are not
going to know the value of precious metals, rare coins, etc. Ones' best bet
would be to stockpile extra foodstuffs for barter purposes.

  Also, consider the following items along with a supply of small ziplock
bags to put them in:

  Tobacco
  Cigarette papers
  Coffee
  Spices

  A good supply of liquor and wine with containers to put small amounts in
to barter with.

  Perhaps one could also barter with small bags of Marijuana, although I
don't know how long that stuff will store, so perhaps you could just store
the seeds and use them for barter.

  Cooking fuels such as Coleman, propane, kerosene would barter well.

  The bad thing about stockpiling metals and coins for emergencies is that
you can't eat, drink, smoke, or cook with silver etc. And if you come to me
wanting to trade silver for something I have, then I have to turn around and
try to find someone who will accept it. I would be much more willing to
accept a baggie of coffee that I know if I don't use it, the guy down the
road that has the shovel I need might want it.

  There's value and then there's value.

Regards,
--Tony

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Stock Market
To   :  Dean Miller/SL5, 75110,3417     Wednesday, March 1, 1995  1:35:25 AM
From :  Sean O'. Eberhardt, 74123,3523  #41059

Just another idea.  Junk silver may be the only way to go.  Historicly,
there is another better way.

MINAGE.  A bag of Diamonds of less then one carot.  They are used for the
manufacture of jewelry.  A bag can be purchased for $10,000.00.  They are
smaller then investment quality carot size.  This historicly has been the
best in portable wealth.  $10,000.00 in junk silver would make a heavy
partner for someone seeking $20,000.00 in emergency survival funds.  In any
event this portion of portfolio need not be more then 5%  of net worth.  It
will sky rocket to cover the decrease in rest of portfolio.

The "best place to buy minage, (not sure of the spelling) is a diamond
wholeseller, not a dealer.  Cash is KING here.  Expect to pay $100.00 per
carot.  $10,000.00 buys about 100 car. of diamonds.  Sizes very greatly.
Could be 200-600 stones.  I am not in this, I do not think that this is the
way to go. But I have advised over the years peopole who felt that they
wanted this piece in their survival package.

I have advised, if there were a choice, a cabin with a seperatly located,
fully stocked cellar.

If one could only do one ore the other, I would go for the cabin.  You may
not make it through the scanners with your junk silver.  I do not know if
minage will make it through a scanner.


Sean O'.
Recovering from Surgery.

Forum:  The Great Outdoors+             Section:  Gun Politics
Subj :  Survivalist Forum?
To   :  Matt Merges/JPN, 75147,241      Friday, February 3, 1995  5:16:04 AM
From :  Bill Badger/MD, 71310,705       #764065

Matt -

  The following are some survival supply retailers:

Nitro-Pak Preparedness Center
325 W. 600 S.
Heber City, UT 84032

(801) 654-0099


MAjor Surplus & Survival
435 W. Alondra Blvd
Gardena, CA 90248

(800) 441-8855
(310) 324-8855
(310) 324-6909  fax


The Survival Center
PO Box 234
McKenna, WA 98554

(800) 321-2900
(206) 458-6778

Emergency Essentials, Inc
165 S. Mountain Way Dr
Orem, UT 84058

(800) 999-1863


~Preparedness Resources
3999 South Main #S-3
Salt Lake City, UT 84107

(800) 594-8974 ext 120

~
Resourceful Foods
PO Box 8100
Richmond, IN 47374

(800) 782-7478


  Some of the paramilitary outfitters also sell survival supplies:

Brigade Quartermasters
1025 Cobb Intl Blvd
Kennesaw, GA 30144-4300

(800) 338-4327
(404) 428-1234
(800) 892-2999  fax


Ranger Joe`s International
4030 Victory Dr
Columbus, GA 31902

(800) 247-4541
(706) 689-3445
(706) 689-0954  fax


~U.S. Cavalry Store
2855 Centennial Ave
Radcliff, KY 40160-9000

(800) 777-7732
(502) 351-1164
(502) 352-0266  fax


  I hope this helps.                   - Bill

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Danny J. Woolman, 73054,60      Sunday, April 2, 1995  4:39:17 PM
From :  KEVIN E. SWANSON, 76022,2545    #52690

Danny

It wasn't untill after I sent my last message that the uses started poping
into my head.

Weatherproof was one of the ideas, including covering/protecting soil or
plants from harmful polluted rain if necessary.  Where would we be without
good ol plastic?

The reason I originally choose the tarps was due to the grommets in each of
the corners.  I was looking for something that could be used to cover my
roof in case of damage, without ripping due to windy conditions, or, could
be used as a make-shift shelter if needed.   Another plus is the tarps fit
nicely at the bottom of one of the tubs!

Good suggestion, though.  The cost of a roll is so minimal compared to the
potential uses!

Now, do I get black or clear?   Hmmmmmmm

So what's your thought on all this?  Do you have a kit yourself, have you
planned beyond a kit, or do you consider this all a wasted effort?

Kevin



Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Dean M/SL5_ASOP, 75110,3417     Saturday, April 1, 1995  3:52:18 PM
From :  Mark Hochman, 73320,2317        #52288

Here's somemore info for your list.  I had received three pamplets from
my local fire dept, these were put out by FEMA.

1. Your Family Disaster Supplies Kit.

2. Your Family Disaster Plan

3. Emergency Preparedness Checklist.

They can be had through the local Red Cross or by writing to

FEMA
PO Box 70274
Washington, DC 20024

My kit consists of:

10 gals of fresh water stored in 5 gal. containers.
First aid kit includes:
bandages of all sizes
sterile gauze pads various sizes
adhesive tape
sterile roller bandages various sizes
scissors, tweezers, needles
moistened towelettes
antiseptic
thermometer
tongue blades
petroleum jelly
safety pins various sizes
soap
latex gloves
sunscreen
aspirin or other pain reliever
anti-diarrhea medication
laxative
activated charcoal for poison control

Tools:
mess kits, plates, cups, etc.
battery operated radio w/ extra batteries
flashlights
non-electric can openers, utility knives
fire extinguisher
tube tent or other type
hand tools, ie pliers
compass
matches in waterproof container
aluminum foil
ducttape
plastic storage containers
signal flares
paper, pens, pencils
sewing kits
medicine dropper
whistle
plastic sheeting
maps of area
toilet paper
feminine supplies
plastic garbage bags and ties
bleach

Clothing:
shoes and boots
rain gear
blankets and sleeping bags
hats and gloves
thermal underwear
sunglasses

Other stuff:
baby supplies if needed
any prescription drugs
dental needs
contact lenses and supplies
extra glasses
books and games
copies of important documents, family records, inventories, telephone
numbers, etc.

I have most of this kept in small bags in my car all ready to go.

Mark



Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Kent Lawrence, 71621,2534       Friday, March 31, 1995 11:08:26 PM
From :  Randall Reeder, 76050,3015      #52019

Hello Kent,

 Reg. above,

 I guess it is a given but a good survival type knife is recommended,
 a heavy one for all purpose use is a good idea. And don't forget a
sharpening stone
 and/or butcher's steel for honing it.
 Also, I read a story when I was a scout where a woodsman was asked if
there was one item
 he could take if marooned on a deserted island what would it be.
 The woodsman said he would want a good ax. With it he could shape
materials for a shelter,
 chop fuel for a fire, start a  fire (flint & steel, you know), defend
himself, make tools
 and weapons and traps and snares, clear land for farming/grazing, build a
raft or boat, even
 form a new handle for that ax when he broke or wore out the old one. The
list went on but
 I don't remember more. He said he would keep it sharp and care for and
guard that ax as if
 his life depended on it.
 So I recommend stocking some versatile tools like a good knife and ax.
 And if you want another versatile tool, one I have in each of my vehicles
and in the house
 and in the garage, how about a set of 'Vise Grips' (locking pliers)? Got
me out of more than
 one jam.
 I have been in the food industry for a long time and have often thought
about what one food
 item I would grab in the event of an earthquake/nat. disaster or ship
sinking (I work at
 sea). I'd grab the biggest container of PEANUT BUTTER I could find- its
dense, portable
 nutrition with good shelf life (and it sticks to the roof of your mouth).
Food for thought
 anyway should one be in that sort of situation.
 I haven't yet seen anyone mention stocking pet food, either. Don't want to
forget Fido and
 Fluffy. In a pinch you could always eat it (or for that matter you could
eat your pet-
 GROSS!!!).
 ((Sorry, in bad taste anyway you look at it))

 Randy in Seattle

Forum:  CIS:ENCOUN                      Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Martha McLemore, 73135,1243


Martha;

OK, here it is:  the complete (to-date) list of supplies/skills needed
for survival after TBO:

Jeannie's Watermaker off her sailboat (may need the sailboat, too??)
Chris' Mechanical Water Pump and Milkweed-Methane Gas-maker
SBB McLemore's Ham Radio
Kent's Arsenal, RV, Canoe & mountaintop (complete with [small] cabin)
Martha's Survival Books & laptop computer
Mark Hochman's Garden (& gardening skills)
Lilith's MRE's & Weapons Training Skills
John Ratcliff's (Beavis-and-Butthead)-devil-may-care-attitude
Tony Scislow's Wine, Tobacco, Cigarette Papers & Marijuana (for
trading, of course!)
Sean O-Eberhardt's Diamonds
Paul Cilwa's Bug Recipes
Kevin Gibson's willingness to work & prose 
Bill Badger's Survival Supplies Sources (Get some supplies, Bill!)
Dean Miller's planning, calculating mind & map drawing skills
Melinda Henderson's Spunk, medical skills and organizational PR
Karl Kofoed, for his Hope Eternal
Barbara Finney, to quote from books (about anything and everything) to
our children (and to us!)
Mandy Gershon and Terri T, for their Support
Paul & Melinda - co-chair of entertainment committee 

This is just off the threads in Earth Changes in the last few days.
Have not left anyone off intentionally; these are from the threads &
messages I saved.  I am sure we can pick up more as we continue in
these veins.

Hey, I'm an Abstracter -- ain't no librarian, but I keep copies of ALL
the records in the Courthouse Register of Deeds, Treasurer's and
Probate & District Court offices filed in my office!  (And I always
hated paperwork as a kid/college student!)

Let's add to it as we go:  this is just an (Abstracted - )
version.

Kent

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Melinda Henderson, 73042,2151   Wednesday, March 29, 1995  2:16:30 AM
From :  Martha McLemore, 73135,1243     #50775

Melin,

re: disposable diapers

Great suggestion; adding it to the file.

Many years ago, the next door neighbor boy (about 11 or 12) earned his
merit badge in first aid by bandaging another scout using a box of
band-aids he found in the bathroom closet.

Scoutmaster asked him why he thought they were bandages - kid said the box
read sanitary pads and besides, they had these neat ties on each end. 

Kid's mother and my mom were chuckling over this when my youngest brother
piped up that he thought they were shoeshine pads.

If it works, who cares, right?

Martha





Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Gov.Info/Conspiracy
Subj :  Food for thought.
To   :  Lilith, 73664,2411              Tuesday, March 28, 1995 12:45:12 AM
From :  Barbara Finney, 71573,1075      #50325

Hi LIlith,

   You must read SOF.  Sleeping bags, backpacks, coleman lanterns,
raingear, alternative weapons in case you run out of ammo, we have compound
bows and know how to make extra arrows and on crossbow.  NOt to mention a
very versatile blowgun and a swordcane.  Compass, and 1  currently
undisciplined guardpuppy. Barbara Finney



Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Water Supplies
To   :  Jeannie, 75773,1442             Tuesday, March 28, 1995  2:20:20 PM
From :  Michael L. Hart, 76466,526      #50523

Hi Jeannie,

Just a thought. Could it be that we're making more work for ourselves than
necessary? A simple solution to handle MOST water problems (I don't know if
anyone can really clean chemically/nuclearly/biologically contaminated
water enough where I would drink it unless ABSOLUTELY necessary), is to
treat the water with chlorine, just like most of our municipalities today,
then use a Granular Activated Carbon (GAC) filter that has been silver
impregnated (to inhibit bacterial growth in the unit) to remove the
chlorine.

I don't know however, how good a job the chlorine does with the variety of
problems we might experience, but GAC does a great job of removing
chlorine.

Michael

Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  KEVIN E. SWANSON, 76022,2545    Tuesday, March 28, 1995  7:26:10 PM
From :  Martha McLemore, 73135,1243     #50620

Kevin -

I bought a copy of the Reader's Digest book; makes good reading.  I just
remembered the Foxfire series, too, published in the late 70s, early 80s.

As soon as I learn about harnessing a bicycle to a generator, I'll post the
info here.  My husband says there are more efficient ways of generating
power, though...wind, solar, water wheel.  A few years ago, Ken's ham club
used a pedal-powered generator during their field day exercises, but they
found it didn't work for their needs.  The power used outpaced their
ability to produce it with the bike.  "Now, if you had a bicycle built for
three, then maybe you could get something out of it," says my sweet BaBoo.
Definitely going to pack him into one of those kit bags.

I'll tell you whatever I learn.  I can see now I'd better put a good
phsyics book in my kit along with somebody to interpret it for me. 

Thanks for all your suggestions, Kevin...keep them coming!

Martha



Forum:  Encounters+                     Section:  Earth Chgs/Prophecy
Subj :  Survival kit, skills
To   :  Martha McLemore, 73135,1243     Monday, March 27, 1995 12:52:08 AM
From :  KEVIN E. SWANSON, 76022,2545    #49965

Hi Martha!

Here are some of the things i've done to prepare.

>> what are some of the things you would pack into a survival kit?<<

I have organized everything into plastic 18 gallon tubs (rubbermaid), that
can be purchased at walmart, target, pamida, etc...  This size works for me
because I have a full size pick up.  You will have to determine how much
space your own vehicle will carry, and right-size accordingly.

The tubs are catagorized as :  Food, Clothes, Cooking/camping gear, and
Shelter.

Food:  Just the typical; soup, spam, coffee, granola bars, peanut butter
(creamy :-)  canned vegetables, ramen noodles,etc....  Oh, and don't forget
the can opener!  I have 3 of them because I just know some poor soul will
forget theirs.  
I also have 2-5 gallon collapsable water containers, and ingredients for
making home made wine and beer ( should be a hot commodity on the barter
scene!)

Clothes:  Extra jeans, sweatshirts/t-shirts, underclothes (including long
underwear) shoes,towels, travel bag of toiletries, bible, frisbee, and deck
of cards.

Cooking/camping gear:  Just your basic camping cookout set with dish soup
and pot scrubbers.  Dish towles, rope for a clothes line, coffee pot,
lighters, measuring cup, water purification pills/filter, and zipperlock
food bags.

Shelter :  This tub has a couple of blankets and tarps ( for shelter or
covering the roof of my home ) more rope, small tool kit, first aid kit,
toilet paper, 8-pack of soap, 2 man dome tent, tent repair kit, first aid
book, 3 pairs leather palmed work gloves ( NOT the yellow fleece kind, for
digging through debris,chopping wood, etc.. ) and a hand axe.

I keep these in my garage along with my camp stove, a 4 person foldable
picinic table, port-a-potty, 2-5 gallon gas cans, MRE's, and sleeping bags.
 I keep them in the garage simply because if both my house and garage where
to collapse in a disaster, it would be easier to sift through the garage
debris rather than the house!
And, under ideal situations, can have everything loaded into the back of
the truck in about 2 minutes, maybe less if i'm rushed 

>> Would you be intersted in helping me compile a resource list of books
and other reading materials<<

Here's one for you.

Reader's Digest _BACK TO BASICS, How to learn and enjoy traditional
American skills_.  ISBN 0-89577-086-5 distributed by Random House, $26.

It covers a wide range of topics from building a cabin to living with
nature, water power, wind power, solar energy, making your house more
energy efficient, fish farming to herbal gardening, baking to preserving,
weaving, woodworking, broommaking, soapmaking, candlemaking, edible plants
for wilderness living, and a bunch more.  The book is a keeper!

I hope some of this is useful, and i'll be anxiously awaiting any ideas on
things I may have over looked.

Keep us *posted* and........ be prepared,

Kevin