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Summary: Armen Victorian's review of Timothy Good's book "Alien
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Late in September 1991, An envelope from England arrived in the Post Office
Box of the UFO Reporting and Information Service.  It contained a review of
Chapter 10 "Cosmic Journey" from the recent book "Alien Liaison" by Timothy
Good.  The review raises serious questions about the quality of research done
for said chapter of "Alien Liaison," and indeed about the integrity of Mr.
Timothy Good.

"Alien Liaison" was published in England By Century Publishing; and to the
best of my knowledge, it is available in the United States only from Arcturus
Book Service of Stone Mountain Georgia.

The person who sent the paper is one "Dr. Armen Victorian."  The name is a
pseudonym of an energetic British researcher.  He purports to be interested
only in verified information, something well appreciated here.  Some of Dr.
Victorian's work can be read in the recent "UFO Crash/Retrievals: The Inner
Sanctum  Status Report VI", by Leonard H. Stringfield, privately published,
July, 1991.

I wrote Dr. Victorian a reply asking about his use of pseudonyms and for
permission to post his review on Cufon since it seems, for the most part to
be supported by documentation.  Dr. Victorian wrote back granting permission
to post his review and enclosing some additional related orrespondence.

The review and associated documents are reproduced below.  I emphasize that
this document is the work of Dr. Armen Victorian and that he has no
connection whatever to CUFON or the UFO Reporting and Information Service.
Any opinions expressed, or conclusions stated are those of Dr.  Victorian, and
are not necessarily those of CUFON, The UFO Reporting and Information
Service, Dale Goudie or myself.


                                        Jim Klotz
                                       CUFON SYSOP


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  Armen Victorian's Review of Chapter 10 of "Alien Liaison" by
Timothy Good and associated documentation/correspondence


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UFO Reporting and Information service,       Dr. Armen Victorian
P.O.Box 832,                                 P.O.Box: 99
Mercer Island,                               West PDO
Washington 98040                             Nottingham, NG8 3NT
USA                                          England


                                             Date: 23 AUG 1991


Dear Sir/Madam,


Please find enclosed herewith a copy of the review on Mr. Timothy
Good's recent book, Alien Liaison.

It would be prudent to study the review prior to passing any
judgement based on the your knowledge about Mr. Good.


                                                 Sincerely,

                                               /s/ A. Victorian

                                                 A. Victorian

Encl: As attached





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             A REVIEW OF "ALIEN LIAISON : TIMOTHY GOOD
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                                            By: Armen Victorian
                                                August 1991


The publication of Alien Liaison in my opinion has put yet another nail on
the coffin of the UFOlogy which is already suffering from a mountain of
distortion and mis-information from tabloid ufologists.  "Governments do not
have to do any more damage that what already what many ufologists in search
of a few quick bucks or fame are doing themselves to the field.  Why are you
pointing your fingers continuously at us", ran the comments of one Major
General to me, adding "No longer is it clear who is telling the truth when
you guys are quoting us in your 'literature'",  holding up the fingers of
both hands as the sign of parentheses.

Mr. Good's latest book by Century,  was published in May, 1991.  Soon
afterwards, Mr. Good received wide media coverage largely due to ONE chapter
in his book which added "punch" to make it a best seller.  In England, he
attended live radio shows and TV programs, which, via satellite link, also
helped to bring his close associate, Mr. Bob Oechsler into the limelight.
Bob Oechsler provided the main substance for "Cosmic Journey", chapter 10.

ADM Lord Peter Hill-Norton, another close ally of Mr. Good, was quick on the
mark by writing the "commentary" for the book without any proper
consideration as to what he is writing might bear a sour fruit. Maybe he
thought the title he held almost twenty-two years ago (Admiral of the Fleet -
Chief of Defence Staff 1971 - 73) was the endorsement seal of accuracy for
the accounts in the book, therefore adding to its controversy as yet another
sale-point.

Recently, another close ally of Mr. Timothy Good, Mr. Graham Birdsall, the
Editor of Quest International UFO Magazine, which has on the board a serious,
highly respected researcher like Mr. Tony Dodd, as the Director of
Investigation and Research, without any consultation with him, dedicated
almost eight pages of their recent issue to reviewing Mr. Good's book,
appraising him as though he is the best thing ever happened to mankind.  As
one of their Directors put it, "This guy is turning this magazine into Tim
Good Appreciation Society".  But, there are reasons why Mr.  Birdsall has gone
out of town praising Mr. Good.  there is apparently a deal between Tim Good
and G. Birdsall, that if and when Mr. Birdsall finishes his book ( he has
been busy writing it during the past three/four weeks).  Mr. Good would make
sure that it gets published.  This was what I was told by yet another senior
member of the Quest team.

Amongst several pages of Mr. Birdsall's gobbly-gook, there is one particular
passage which caught my eye (P. 25, Quest, Vol. 10, No. 4).  There Mr.
birdsall wrights "Objective researchers cannot dismiss the revelations made
by some of the most senior figures in United States Intelligence, and one can
do nothing but HEAP PRAISE on Timothy Good and his publishers Century, for
having the courage to withstand pressure from that same American Intelligence
Community that threatened all sorts of legal action if they went ahead and
'named names'.  "That" they said, "would breach US national security".  On 30
July 1991, I put this point to Mr. Mark Booth of Century Publication, who
actually has edited Mr. Good's book "Alien Liaison".  He replied that, there
NEVER was any threat of any sort from any quarters, quite the reverse is
accurate, we were worried that maybe the book would not sell after
publication.  (Recorded telephone conversation - Author).

I was given a copy of the book and was asked to check the veracity and
accuracy of one particular chapter, "Cosmic Journey", Chapter 10.  During the
months in which I contacted every single personality that has been named, or
those whose names do not appear for the reason of adding a deliberate twist,
creating a sale point for the book.

My first contact was with Mr. Bob Oechsler, who apparently was the bonafide,
main witness for this chapter.  In the very first conversation I had with Mr.
Oechsler (Taped telephone conversation), I asked him whether he is totally
happy and satisfied the was Mr. good has put this chapter together.  Mr.
Oechsler answered, that he was not.  He added that "Cosmic Journey Project",
was mainly a commercial enterprise, and that Mr. Good has turned it into
something somewhat different.  He said he would have preferred to have it
worded differently, and not to give the impression to the readership that it
is a project, where the government is standing behind Ringling Brothers as a
front.  In the latest conversation had with Mr. Oechsler on 10 August 1991,
when it was clear by then that many areas in that chapter raise very serious
questions, he said that I should know by now that Mr. Good is nor a
researcher, but an editor who collects material and puts them together.
Similar comments also were made Mr. Jaime Shandrae to Mr. Grant Cameron, the
Canadian UFO researcher, about Mr. Good.


                CHAPTER 10 - COSMIC JOURNEY
                ---------------------------

Mr. Good begins this chapter by introducing ADM Bobby Ray Inman. from there
he embarks upon referring to Mr. Oechsler's brief encounter with ADM Inman,
(May 13, 1988, on the grounds of the Science and Technology Center of
University of Maryland).  At that brief encounter apparently Mr.  Oechsler,
after introducing himself, left his business card with ADM Inman, asking "I
would be grateful if at some point you might have someone contact me about
how I can get closer to MJ12".  (See UFO Magazine "UFO Secret Team?  "Control
Factor' Stymies Ufology" by Vicki Cooper), and then writes extracts of Mr.
Oechsler's telephone conversation with ADM Inman (The telephone conversation
had taken place at 8AM, July 20, 1989.  At that time Mr. good was staying
with Mr. Oechsler - complete text of this telephone conversation which
included Mr. Oechsler's speculation, was faxed to me by Mr.  Oechsler).  The
published lines in the book, are somewhat taken out of context.  According to
Oechsler and Good, they represent the fact that ADM Inman is heavily involved
with the UFO subject and its cover up.  One particular question by Oechsler,
and ADM Inman's answer (published in italic, page 191), has allowed the
imagination of both Good and Oechsler fly wild and loose.

Bob Oechsler: "Do you anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would
ever become available for technological research?"

ADM Inman: "Again, I honestly don't know, ten years ago the answer would have
been no.  Whether as time has evolved they are beginning to become more open
on it, there's a possibility.  Again Mr. Hineman (retired Deputy Director of
Science and Technology Division, CIA) probably would be the best person to
put that kind of question to...".

There is not once a single specific reference to the subject of UFOs in the
entire text of the telephone conversation.  Mr. Good by deliberately not
publishing ADM Inman's letter of Dec. 18, 1989, that I re-produce here, has
twisted the facts, representing totally a fabricated version of the truth.

Quote: "Dear Mr. Good,

Just a short note to thank you for your letters of 17 November and  7 december
1989, and the copy of Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's letter to you.  I did
receive your book and appreciate your thoughtfulness for sending it.  I look
forward to reading it in the weeks ahead.  Unfortunately, I do not know any
information which could be of assistance to you for your UFO report.  I would
like to take this opportunity to wish you success in your findings.

Please pass my very best wishes to Admiral Lord Hill-Norton when you have the
opportunity.

                                       Sincerely,
                             [Signed]  B. R. Inman".

After receiving the complete text of the telephone conversation, I asked Mr.
Oechsler if anyone else but Mr. Good has listened to this telephone
conversation that you have recorded?  He gave me the name of a Mr. John
Dingley.  On 14 July 1991, I telephoned Mr. Dingley and asked him whether he
had listened to the taped telephone conversation between ADM Inman and Mr.
Oechsler.  He confirmed that he had listened to the taped conversation.  I
asked him was the subject of UFOs ever mentioned in the entire conversation?
He answered "NO".

By then I had already contacted ADM Inman, enclosing page s of the book where
he had been implicated, asking him for clarifications.  On 26 July 1991, I
received the following letter from ADM Inman.  (Copy enclosed)

"I received your letter of July 1st concerning Timothy Good's book Alien
Liaison.  I believe all these allegations to be false.  Concerning your
comments on a group of scientists called MJ12, I have no such awareness and
do not believe such a group exists.

[Author's comments: I deliberately included the MJ12 issue in my
correspondence to him, because Oechsler claims that, it was the main lead
in.]

In summary, the book is filled with fabrication and distortions.  My
conclusion from the pages I have seen is that the book is without any merit.

                                      Signed: B. R. Inman."


After receiving ADM Inman's letter, I contacted ADM Lord Hill-Norton on 1 Aug.
1991.  I read ADM Inman's letter and asked him what does he think about the
letter.  His reply was that, it is absurd what Inman is saying now.  He should
clarify why he made those comments to Oechsler.  He went on to add that he is
covering up, and he stuck by his commentary that, either he should shut up or
to put up with it.  (Taped telephone conversation).

Although, I was not satisfied by what ADM Lord Hill-Norton had said and
moreover, he gave me the distinct impression of believing everything Tim Good
tells him, or gives him to read, due to some passing comments he made in that
regard, I decided to get back to ADM Inman.  In another letter to ADM Inman,
which was faxed to his office, 2 Aug. 1991, asking him:

"As an objective researcher in trying to establish the intentions of each
parties involved in the course of these events, which gave "enough confidence"
to the author of the above mentioned book (T. Good), and his assistant Mr. Bob
Oechsler, in compelling, studying and editing the data, which he thought to be
accurate, there remains a few areas which would require an ultimate
clarification by you.

What did you think Bob Oechsler was inquiring about?  It is still obscure what
your understanding was about the topic of the conversation? Perhaps I should
add that Bob Oechsler maintains that in his initial approach to you, when he
gave you his card, he mentioned to you clearly and briefly that he required
your assistance in contacting a member/members of the MJ12.  He maintains that
you accepted his card, and in a cordial manner "Okayed" it".

I enclosed a copy of my letter to ADM Inman with the following covering letter,
dated 5 August, 1991 and sent them to ADM Lord Hill-Norton.

"dear sir,

Enclosed are the two letters I discussed about.

There are certainly areas of serious flaws in the manner by which the "data"
has been presented by the representers on the main characters in chapter 10 of
the book, "Alien Liaison".  It is no secret, which concerns myself and the
dignified high ranking officers, whose names have been mentioned, but the
truthfulness and exact, factual representation seems to bear some serious
questions.

Although, by writing my last letter to ADM Inman, I have tried to ask him to
clarify the grey areas, the seriousness of the issue referred to in my previous
paragraph over-rules such a request.

                                        Signed-Author."

On 6 August 1991, I received a reply from ADM Inman, dated 5 Aug. 1991, which I
reproduce in its entirety here-below.

"Dear Dr. Victorian,

In response to the request in your letter dated 2 August 1991 for an "ultimate
clarification" by me re Mr. Oechsler, I provide the following:

a.   I receive hundreds of calling cards each year from individuals who
approach me at public appearances.  I have no specific recollection of the
receipt of a calling card from Mr. Oechsler prior to our telephone
conversation.

b.   I have never heard of any organization called MJ12 nor did I have any
understanding from Mr. Oechsler about his seeking information an a specific
organization.  His use of Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's name was the principal
factor in my having a conversation at all with Mr. Oechsler.

c.   Having no prior knowledge of Mr. Oechsler's interest, I did not understand
until well into his dialogue that his research was about Unidentified Flying
Objects.

d.   Throughout 22 years of service in intelligence community, I have never
encountered any credible evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial or
interplanetary entities, individuals, crafts, vehicles, or persons. I do not
believe any credible evidence of such activity exists.

I have been advised by RADM Shapiro that Mr. Oechsler totally misrepresented
both the nature and content of their conversation.

I remain persuaded that complete misrepresentation of my views and those of
RADM Shapiro has occurred and thus I distrust any and all stories and
conclusions that have been conveyed.

I hope you will entertain no further doubts about my views.


                                               Sincerely,
                                      [signed] B. R. Inman

After the receipt of the above letter, there was still one clause which
required yet further clarification by ADM Inman. The word "dialogue", could
have a broad interpretation.  I needed to know what precisely ADM Inman meant
by that.

On August 12, 1991 I contacted ADM Inman's office, and I spoke to Mr. Tom king,
the Executive Assistant to ADM Inman.  I explained to him the nature of my
inquiry, asking him for further clarification by ADM Inman.  I was asked to
contact the following day.  On August 13, 1991, I was told by Mr. Tom King,
that I can go on the record by what he was told by ADM Inman, in response to my
inquiry, Mr. King said, what ADM Inman meant in clause (C) of his last letter
to you (5AUG. 1991), is that, only after Mr. Oechsler had spoken with RADM
Shapiro, in pursuit of his inquiry, it had become clear to ADM Inman, through
RADM Shapiro, that Mr. Oechsler's inquiry was about UFOs. ADM Inman had
absolutely no prior knowledge of the topic of Mr. Oechsler inquiry before that.

I had already contacted RADM Sumner Shapiro (Retired, ONI Director) on August
3, 1991.  I asked RADM Shapiro whether he met Bob Oechsler.  he replied "He
claims to have met me".  I Repeated my question.  He answered; "He met me in
one occasion and I realized that he was a fraud.  He had arranged a meeting
with me under fraudulent circumstances, and I dismissed him almost immediately.
 I never had a meeting with him in a restaurant. (See p. 195, where Mr.
Oechsler alleges that he met with RADM Shapiro for the first time in a
restaurant) as he is suggesting in that book.  I never discussed any of that
material with him."

I asked RADM Shapiro what did Mr. Oechsler introduce himself as? He answered
"He introduced himself as a[n] independent.....  he didn't even describe what
he was doing initially in order to see me.  He said that he has been referred
to me by somebody (Inman) that should contact me.  I tried to contact that
person to verify, he was out of the country.  I finally agreed that I will meet
him.  And then, all he had was his card that described himself as some sort of
a robotic expert or something.  You know, a complete sham." (Taped recorded
conversation).

I then contacted Mr. Robert W. Kirchgessner, which was the Director of Special
Development Group.  Ringling Bros. & Barnum and Bailey, at that time. Mr.
Kirchgessner with his direct answers cast a great deal of light on the subject
matter thereby revealing the length and breadth of distortion to present THEIR
own version of "Cosmic Journey".

I asked Mr. Kirchgessner to describe what took place in the course of their
contacts with Mr. Bob Oechsler and Mr. Timothy Good.

He said: "Robert Oechsler's situation is a, let m put it like this, Robert
Oechsler was recommended to us by Timothy Good, we met with the man ONE time.
We determined very very quickly that he was a total INCOMPETENT. This fact is
illustrated when the gentleman approached us, coming in and telling us from
everything, from the fact that he could deliver us a UFO, to whether he had a
government agency watching him and we were sitting in a restaurant here in
Orlando with him, when we were invited him down here, paying all his costs, to
speak to him.  (This particular factor was further confirmed to me by Mr.
Robert Kenneston, in a separate telephone conversation with him in his Los
Angeles office, on 12 Aug. 1991 [taped recorded conversation]. He was a witness
in that meeting, and held a separate discussion with Mr. Oechsler, as part of
the same meeting). Trying to do the best research that we could. And he
perceives and comes out with the statement that the CIA people are tracking him
and they were sitting and watching him in the restaurant.  The man was...he was
not with the reality at the time in my opinion. We had elected not to proceed
forward with him in any way, shape or form. The only question that I felt
remaining with the call that I received regarding Robert Oechsler, was whether
or not somebody else in the Ringling Corporation had hired him to do additional
research without my knowledge.  Which was always possible within our company
(Author: "Yes, Mr. Chuck Smith")..right, Chuck Smith was my immediate superior.
 Chuck met various people, he usually would utilise them to continue to look
into subject matters, if they had any knowledge at all.  to my knowledge at
this time, he had never spoken to nor had he been in communication with, nor
had gone any further than my initial confidential report to him, stating that
this (Mr. Oechsler) is one gentleman that we should NOT do business with.  And
to this date that is the position that Chuck has taken in regards to this.

I asked Mr. Kirchgessner how Mr. Timothy Good became involved?  He replied that
they decided not to have anything to do with Mr. Good due to the high fees he
had asked for.  Mr. Kirchgessner's answer to this question is quite
contradictory to what Tim Good has written in his book.  On page 151, Mr. good
writes "Following further discussions, I was invited to become the 'Official
Consultant on UFO research' to the Special Development group.  A personal
meeting in Orlando, Florida, was pre-requisite, the director said, and since I
would be visiting Gulf Breeze during October, I made arrangements to fly to
Orlando. Unfortunately, DIFFICULTIES with airline scheduling arose, allowing
inadequate time for the trip, and I was obliged to postpone the meeting".

I put to Mr. Kirchgessner what Mr. good had published, he said it is simply not
true, we dropped him because of the sums he was asking as his fees.  Then Mr.
Robert Oechsler appeared on the horizon.

Mr. Kirchgessner told me that Mr. Oechsler had asked for either $1200 or $2000
per day for his work (He couldn't remember the exact figure off hand).

He had added that they asked Capt. Gene Cernan, ex-NASA astronaut, who is a
director on the board, to check Mr. Oechsler's credentials regarding his NASA
background.  gene Cernan reported that Mr. Oechsler has NEVER held the position
he claims in NASA, but it is possible that he has worked as a junior technician
either with NASA or with a NASA sub-contractor, in which case his name would
not have been known anyway.  I contacted Gene Cernan on 8 Aug. 1991, after
reaffirming what Mr. Kirchgessner has said, he further added that the Cosmic
Journey project never went any further than the drawing board. (Taped telephone
conversation).

A day before, 7 Aug. 1991, I contacted Miss Sussan Brewer, who works with Mr.
Kirchgessner and was a witness in the Orlando meeting, between Mr. Bob Oechsler
and them.  i asked her by reading out the passage of the book on page 197
(Alien Liaison) where Mr. good states that the project (Cosmic Journey) had the
approval of the President Bush and Vice President Quayle. She answered; "It is
a good question.  as far as Bob (Kirchgessner) is concerned, when he worked
with Gene Crenan, Gene Cernan presented the project to Vice President Quayle
representing President Bush, then yes, I would assume it would go to the top.
(Note: The way Mr. Good has referred to this point in his book, adds more vigor
to his version of the story as to Cosmic Journey was initially a government
based project).

She further added "Let me tell you that when Mr. Oechsler came here to Orlando,
I was present.  We were very kind and polite, but we realized that he was a
little off the wall".  I also put to her what Mr. Kirchgessner  had told me
about Mr. Oechsler's promise in providing them with a genuine UFO. She
immediately followed up by saying "A genuine UFO plus a spaceship".  I asked
her whether it was in writing or verbal.  She replied "Verbal, but there were
four other people at the table, you know they fell off their chairs".  I asked
if she could give me their names as a matter of record. She answered "I was one
of them, the other young man was Brownell Schlubach, he used to work with us at
SDG, then Bob Kirchgessner, and the other gentleman's name was Don Branch, he
was the Manager of Design for SDG".  She further added that "after we realized
what sort of person we were dealing with, we did not have anything to do with a
person with such a fanatical representation."


Following my inquiries into other areas of chapter 10, Cosmic Journey, I was
quite intrigued by what Mr. good had written about "THE PENTAGON MEETING" (See
p.198/9/200/1, Alien Liaison).  I was determined to locate the GENERAL who had
apparently scared the life out of Mr. Oechsler.  Mr. Oechsler had stated in the
course of one of his telephone conversations with me that, whilst in Florida
the Ringling Bros. team had said to him that a variety of people were involved,
and their names were mentioned to him.  A week after returning from Florida he
received a call from the "general".  He added that he would not like to "Fuck
around" with that general, after his alleged encounter experience of November
17, 1989, (Taped telephone conversation with Mr. Oechsler 7 Aug. 1991)  "While
resting in a Dallas cocktail lounge", that he still thinks was the general's
doing.  Mr. Good illustrates Mr. Oechsler's impressions and thoughts relating
to this "Alien Intrusion" as "The sensation in the back of Bob's head reminded
him of the security machine at the Pentagon, which had induced a 'tingling'
sensation at the back of his head. was there some connection perhaps?" (See p.
202 in the book).

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                                     SAIC
                Science Applications International Corporation
                           An Employee Owned Company



                                                 July 26, 1991

Dr. Armen Victorian
P. O. Box 99
West PDO
Nottingham, NG8 3NT
England

Dear Dr. Victorian,

I received your letter of July 1st concerning Timothy Good's book
Alien Liaison.  I believe all these allegations to be false.
Concerning your comments on a group of scientists called MJ12, I
have no such awareness and do not believe such a group exists.

In summary, the book is filled with fabrication and distortions.
My conclusion from the pages I have seen is that the book is
without any merit.

Sincerely

/s/ B. R. Inman

B. R. Inman


     9442 Capitol of Texas Highway North, Arboretum Plaza One,
Suite 685,
                       Austin Texas 78759 (512) 343-2200


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                                     SAIC
                Science Applications International Corporation
                           An Employee Owned Company



                                                     August 5, 1991

Dr. Armen Victorian
P. O. Box 99
West PDO
Nottingham, NG8 3NT
England

Dear Dr. Victorian,


In response to the request in your letter dated 2 August 1991 for an
"ultimate clarification" by me re Mr. Oechsler, I provide the
following:

    a.   I receive hundreds of calling cards each year from individuals who
approach me at public appearances.  I have no specific recollection of the
receipt of a calling card from Mr. Oechsler prior to our telephone
conversation.

    b.   I have never heard of any organization called MJ12 nor did I have any
understanding from Mr. Oechsler about his seeking information an a specific
organization.  His use of Admiral Lord Hill-Norton's name was the principal
factor in my having a conversation at all with Mr. Oechsler.

    c.   Having no prior knowledge of Mr. Oechsler's interest, I did not
understand until well into his dialogue that his research was about
Unidentified Flying Objects.

    d.   Throughout 22 years of service in intelligence community, I have never
encountered any credible evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial or
interplanetary entities, individuals, crafts, vehicles, or persons.  I do not
believe any credible evidence of such activity exists.

    I have been advised by RADM Shapiro that Mr. Oechsler totally
misrepresented both the nature and content of their conversation.

    I remain persuaded that complete misrepresentation of my views and those of
RADM Shapiro has occurred and thus I distrust any and all stories and
conclusions that have been conveyed.

    I hope you will entertain no further doubts about my views.


Sincerely,

/s/ B. R. Inman

B. R. Inman



     9442 Capitol of Texas Highway North, Arboretum Plaza One, Suite 685,
Austin Texas 78759 (512) 343-2200

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Linda W. Billica NASA Johnson Space Center CC32 Houston, TX 77058 August 12,
1991

Dr. Armen Victorian
P. O. Box 99
West PDO
Nottingham, NG8 3NT
England

Dear Dr. Victorian,

The material you sent me from the book, Alien Liaison, is not based
on
fact:

1.  No one by the name of Bob Oechsler was ever manifested to fly with us on
the KC-135.

2.  Ellington Field has been an Air Force BAse since 1976.

3.  There are no billeting facilities at Ellington Field.

4.  The shuttle's Remote Manipulator System (the "arm") was designed by canada,
has been operating for years, and has never required any such
"reconfiguration."

5.  NASA has no "anti-gravity chamber" anywhere.  As I explained over the
phone, we fly a KC-135 aircraft in a series of parabolas to obtain short
periods of microgravity.

6.  Protein crystals have nothing to do with superconductive materials.

7.  NASA has no "bunker-like building north of Houston" and no "alien craft."

8.  Absolutely no effort is underway to design or build any "ground-based
anti-gravity chamber."

I'm sorry Dr. Victorian, but Alien Liaison is hogwash.  I do not wish to have
my name or my organization's name associated with it in any way.

Sincerely,

/s/ Linda W. Billica

Linda W. Billica


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  Following are the additional letters forwarded by Dr. Victorian
in his reply


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National Aeronautics and
 NASA
Space Administration

John F. Kennedy Space Center
Kennedy Space Center, Florida 32899



PA-B                                                September 26,
1991


Mr. S. E. Victorian
P. O. Box 99
West PDO
Nottingham, NG8 3NT
England


Dear Mr. Victorian:

This is in response to your request to the FOIA Office at NASA
Headquarters for records pertaining to "COSMIC JOURNEY."

No Agency records can be identified or located at Kennedy Space Center
responsive to your request.  If you think Rockwell International was involved
in the project, you might wish to address a request to them.


Sincerely,

/s/ Mary Jo Tippett
Mary Jo Tippett
FOIA Administrator

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                  Letter from A. Victorian to Dennis Stacy


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Mr Dennis Stacy,                          Dr. Armen Victorian
Editor, MUFON                             P. O. Box 99
Box 12434                                 West PDO
San Antonio, TX 78214                     Nottingham, NG8 3NT
USA                                       England



                                         Date: 04 OCT 1991
Dear Mr. Stacy,

Mr. Good's reply to Mr. Johnson's review of his book is quite
hilarious.  there are some very serious flaws in Good's response.
Once again he has deliberately twisted the facts to suit his re-
quirement.

I would like to respond to the point Mr. Good has raised in his
letter in the order they are mentioned:

I have a TAPED TELEPHONE CONVERSATION with the editor of Good's
book.  He CONFIRMS that there NEVER was any threats of any kind
from any quarters.  In fact they were worried that the book might
not go down well.  Indeed, if there would be any forthcoming
threats or prosecution.  I can assure Mr. Good that it would not
be for his alleged "Violation of US National Security" by the of-
ficers implicated in his "Tale of the Two Cities"., but for repre-
senting a distorted and fabricated version of FACTS by him and
Oechsler, in his book.  I should add that, during my research into
the veracity and accuracy of chapter 10, "Cosmic Journey", in
more than one occasion and by more than one high-ranking officer
was told that they reserve the right to press charges.

The main bulk of research on other cases that Good has referred
to, is conducted by other researchers.  Good has merely copied
them without even checking their accuracy or validity.  In fact
Good's version of a Puerto Rican case, which he has written more
extensively in his report 1991 and his current book, has some
serious accuracies inaccuracies.  Furthermore, the credibility of
some of the so called researchers he has made referenced to, is
highly questionable .  Not mentioning that by equating these bunch
of opportunity seekers with other serious, good researchers, he in
fact has insulted the entire field.

He takes pride of the praise of a third grade tabloid paper in
England, Glasgow Herald.  Quite rightly so.  Because, for the first
time he has been appraised by a paper of his own grade of work.
I dare to say they are two of a kind.

He claims that ADM Inman has conceded to the topic of conversa-
tion. him and Oechsler claim (UFOs).  Once again, by distorting
the facts he is fabricating a twisted agenda, totally out of con-
text, as his proof.  Tim Good is indirectly referring to ADM Inman
second comprehensive letter to me (See my review report).  What
Mr. Good deliberately fails to qualify is the fact that ADM Inman
has clarified that particular clause of his letter, even further.
Good in an insidious manner is hiding the fact that neither ADM
Inman nor RADM Shapiro could make any head or tail of what
Oechsler was talking about, not until Mr. Oechsler took out the
model of the alleged "alien head", when Sam Shapiro noticed what
Oechsler has been trying to convey.  After that it did not take
long before Oechsler was out of that house.  ADM Inman has clearly
clarified this point.  As to Ringling Corporation's involvement,
there is absolutely nothing to hide.  Here again Mr. Good points
the danger towards Ringling Corporation accusing them of cover
up.  He does not have the courage to explain the truth.  There
NEVER was any problem with the airline schedules, as Tim Good
claims as his excuse for not having been able to attend in the
meeting.  What Good says is poppy-cock.  He was dropped because of
his greediness, and enormous appetite for MONEY.  Apparently what
he had asked for was utterly ridiculous.  That equally applies to his
fellow colleague Bob Oechsler, a junior ex-technician with a NASA
sub-contractor.  Mr. Oechsler had asked for over $1200 per/day as
his fees.  I would like to ask the question from the gang of two.
If their wishes were fulfilled, and Ringling Brothers had forked
out the sums they were looking for, would they still accuse them
of cover-up, or would have been praised for excellent work
of uncovering the cover-ups?  Good accused Mr. Johnson for ul-
terior motives.  Whilst it is he, himself who with a false
pretence and claims of the provider of "crucial evidence" that
many have failed to come up with, has the ulterior motives.  Rin-
gling Corporation offered to provide him with perfect platform to
further the research.  Instead greed overcame the shallow veneer
of research.

It is quite shameful to witness that some of the researchers who
are supposed to be a leading example to the UFO community, in-
stead resort to such methods of self promotion.


                                           Sincerely,
                                         /s/  A. V.
                                           A. Victorian

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