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Subject: SNET: [piml] On Soveringty from Albright
Date: 18 Jun 1999 18:16:40 -0400
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here it is straight from the horse's as-, er mouth.    Mike P


     U.S.  Adds New Facet To Tough Global Issue Albright's Propo-
     sal  to  Peacefully Transfer Sovereignty  to  Kosovo  Upends 
     Precedents

                         By Charles Trueheart
                   Washington Post Foreign Service
                 Tuesday, February 23, 1999; Page A13 

          PARIS, Feb.  22 Arriving at the Kosovo peace conference 
     south  of Paris last week, Secretary of State  Madeleine  K.  
     Albright  opened  a window onto an emerging dilemma  of  the 
     post-Cold  War  era by urging Yugoslavia's leaders  to  sur-
     render  peacefully  something that for  generations  nations 
     have gone to war to protect: a piece of sovereignty.

          "Great nations who understand the importance of  sover-
     eignty at various times cede various portions of it in order 
     to  achieve some better good for their country,"  she  said.  
     "We  are  looking  at how the nation-  state  functionsin  a 
     totally  different way than people did at the  beginning  of 
     this century."

          Albright was speaking about a particular conflict,  but 
     her comments resonated against a backdrop in which questions 
     of  sovereignty  are being played out in a variety  of  set-
     tings,  some  of them violent.  As the  ethnicAlbanians  and 
     Serbs  were being asked to rethink their notionsof  what  it 
     means to be a self-governing state, another ethnic conflict-
     thrust  itself  onto  the streets of  European  cities  when 
     thousands of Kurdserupted in anger atthe capture of a  Kurd-
     ish rebel leader, Abdullah Ocalan, by Turkey.

          The  week's events placed both the ethnic Albanians  of 
     Kosovo  and  the Kurds squarely on the map  of  contemporary 
     consciousness  as groups that, albeit for different  reasons 
     and  under far different circumstances, are fighting  for  a 
     place of their own on a geographic map.  The Kurds, like the 
     ethnic  Albanians,  have found a moment in history  when  it 
     seems  propitious  to demand their piece of  national  soil, 
     generating both sympathy and anxiety abroad.

          In general, European leaders have seemed more squeamish 
     than Albright about urging others to embrace new concepts of 
     sovereignty  and statehood.  For many, the reasons are  born 
     of  Europe's  proximity  to many of  the  world's  unsettled 
     ethnic questions, the century's vividly remembered  national 
     wars,  and restive immigrant communities.  Nearly a  million 
     Kurds,  for  example, live in Germany, France,  Britain  and 
     other European nations.

          Further  complicating  Europe's  reaction  is  its  own 
     monumental  experiment  aimed at  creating  an  increasingly 
     borderless continent, embodied this year by the introduction 
     of  a  new, single currency, the euro.  Forproponents  of  a 
     unified Europe, the key to future strength and prosperity is 
     the melting away of national borders and differences.

          The Kurds -- perhaps 20 million strong, or 10 times the 
     number  of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo -- occupy a  territory 
     that  overlaps parts of Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Iran and  Arme-
     nia,  but for centuries they have been stateless.   To  them 
     and  to their sympathizers, statelessness is  equivalent  to 
     powerlessness.  

          They  are not alone.  Wars of national liberation  that 
     challenged  the established order during the Cold War  typi-
     cally  became  part of a much bigger  geopolitical  struggle 
     between  the superpowers.  In that respect they were  funda-
     mentally unlike the dramatic fractures and separatist explo-
     sions  of the 1990s.  In the fluidity of the  post-Cold  War 
     period, pent up nationalisms have erupted.

          What used to be the Soviet Union is now a collection of 
     nations,  with others inside Russia still struggling  to  be 
     born.   What used to be Yugoslavia came apart, and is  still 
     coming  apart, with horrible violence and  bloodshed.   What 
     used  to  be  Czechoslovakia may be the  smoothest  kind  of 
     national reconstitution possible.

          New  international  arrangements, too,  have  presented 
     themselves,  unintentionally greasing the path toward  frag-
     mentation  of nations' constituent parts.  Trade zones  such 
     as  Mercosur  in South America or the  North  American  Free 
     Trade  Agreement, joint currencies such as the CFA franc  in 
     Africa  or the euro, and alliances such as NATO made  tradi-
     tional national systems less essential, or even  undesirable 
     for economic growth.  

          All this has happened as peoples have rediscovered more 
     local attachments -- have found their place on their  mental 
     map of the world.  An ancient language or heritage, a common 
     culture  within  the larger cobbled-together  culture  of  a 
     larger nation, have fed yearnings for commensurate political 
     authority.   Methodical devolution and decentralization have 
     also  been  fashionable in stable political systems  in  the 
     last  quarter-century -- notably of late in such  places  as 
     Scotland and Wales, Flanders and Wallonia, Spain and the new 
     Inuit  homeland  in northern Canada.   But  these  reformist 
     moves likewise have unintended consequences: They can awaken 
     more appetites than they can accommodate without undermining 
     old assumptions about sovereignty.

          New currents in international justice have also  stimu-
     lated  demands  for  autonomy and blurred  the  fixities  of 
     sovereign  nations.  A retired Chilean dictator can  be  ar-
     rested  in  Britain on a warrant from Spain,  and  a  Libyan 
     terrorism suspect may be tried in a Dutch court by  Scottish 
     judges.

          To the United States -- in many ways the major  country 
     that has the least experience with internal impulses  toward 
     national fragmentation -- now falls the task of knowing  how 
     to lead, or even respond to, a world impatient with the  map 
     it  inherited  and  ready, even eager in  places,  to  start 
     redrawing it.  President Clinton's successors and  Madeleine 
     Albright's  will  have to decide whether it matters  to  the 
     United  States' national interest -- matters enough to  wage 
     war,  possibly -- if ethnic Albanians are ruled in  Pristina 
     or Belgrade, if Kurds are ruled in Diyarbakir or Ankara,  if 
     Quebecers are ruled in Quebec City or Ottawa.  

          No  consistent  answer,  let alone  a  right  one,  has 
     emerged  to such hugely complex questions of  history,  cul-
     ture, and ethnicity, of national and sub-national identities 
     in a global economy dominated by a single military superpow-
     er.   The  more cases arise that invite the  rethinking  Al-
     bright  is  proposing, the more  disturbingly  obvious  this 
     becomes.

          To many countries, apparently, Palestinians qualify for 
     statehood and self-rule.  Bosnians, too.  The East  Timorese 
     might.  The ethnic Albanians of Kosovo deserve more autonomy 
     than they have, but not full independence, not yet.

          And the Kurds? It depends.  Kurds in Iraq get  Washing-
     ton's support because the enemy of our enemy is our  friend.  
     Kurds  in  Turkey, on the other hand, do  not,  because  the 
     enemy of our friend is our enemy.  

          Albright  reportedly  tried  to  coax  the  29-year-old 
     ethnic Albanian guerrilla leader, Hashim Thaqi, into signing 
     the deal at Rambouillet by telling him he had a chance to be 
     the Gerry Adams of his people, a reference to the leader  of 
     the political wing of the Irish Republican Army who  steered 
     his supporters toward a peace agreement in Northern Ireland.

          The  Albanian  side  pointed out  immediately  that  if 
     Albright  is holding up Northern Ireland as an example,  why 
     don't they get a referendum for independence?

          This is just the problem.  How many other Gerry Adamses 
     are  lined up for their moment, how many are willing to  put 
     down their guns and sign a settlement, and how many referen-
     dums will the world tolerate?


             ) Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company


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